From: Ray Cook <raycook**At_Symbol_Here**APEXHSE.COM>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] lab occupancies and fire codes
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:40:05 -0600
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The occupant load area is determined by the space within the walls.  I think that fire person is mistaken.  As a past Fire Marshal, I recognize that the codes take into account the furnishings, which is why occupant load varies by facility usage or type.

Cheers!

Ray Cook, CIH, CSP
ApexHSE.com
832-477-4454

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On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Samuella Sigmann <sigmannsb**At_Symbol_Here**APPSTATE.EDU> wrote:

Ours is the same in NC.  To further clarify, according to our fire person that 50 sq ft/person has to be unobstructed with permanent structures.  We can't count the lab bench area - only the open floor space. 

I have never measured our floor space - I might be afraid to...
S-
 
On 12/4/2014 7:29 PM, Debbie M. Decker wrote:

50 square feet per student - our teaching labs are about 1200 square feet and so we accommodate 24 students in lab.

 

It's in the fire code in California.  Your mileage may vary.

 

Best,

 

Debbie M. Decker, CCHO

Safety Manager

Department of Chemistry

University of California, Davis

122 Chemistry

1 Shields Ave.

Davis, CA  95616

(530)754-7964

(530)304-6728

dmdecker**At_Symbol_Here**ucdavis.edu

 

Birkett's hypothesis: "Any chemical reaction

that proceeds smoothly under normal conditions,

can proceed violently in the presence of an idiot."

 

 

 

 

From: DCHAS-L Discussion List [mailto:dchas-l**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU] On Behalf Of Melissa Charlton-Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 6:11 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**MED.CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] lab occupancies and fire codes

 

HI everybody,

 

This has probably been hashed over before, but it is a situation that may be cropping up at my institution and I need some "ammo".  Are there and NFPA codes that anyone is aware of that limits the occupancy of a lab?  I believe that 60-70 sq ft per person is recommended, but I am unable to find any code that specifically states that.  I don't want our local fire marshal to "have a cow" if the school overloads a lab.  I already have all my safety arguments lined out, but I'd like some solid regs and/or codes behind me as well.

 

You know how these things can crop up-you think you've drilled it into their collective heads that they can or can't do something, but sometimes it seems to fall on deaf ears and then you are forced to be the bad guy and say LOOK at the regs!  You CAN'T do this. Look at the liabilities (gotto throw up those $$$ signs).

 

Thanks all,

 

Mel

 

Mel Charlton-Smith

Chemistry Lab Coordinator, CHO-NRCC

Coordinator of BS-CHS program, Lecturer

WVWC - Chemistry Dept.

CHS-319

59 College Ave

Buckhannon, WV 26201

charltonsmith**At_Symbol_Here**wvwc.edu

304-473-8355

 


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Samuella B. Sigmann, NRCC-CHO
Lecturer/Safety Committee Chair
A. R. Smith Department of Chemistry
Appalachian State University
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