Well said, Beth. I couldn't agree more!
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On Behalf Of Beth Shepard
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:57 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] EPA Freezes Grants, CDC cancels climate change conference
Hello all--
A critical fact that seems to be getting lost in the political discussion into which this chain has veered.
The research data being removed & the scientists being restricted do not "belong" to the previous or current administrations, or to Congress. It & they "belong" to the American people. The taxes from All Americans has paid for & continues
to pay for the research & the salaries of these scientists.
As such, any removal &/or deletion of data due to political points is an attack on the American people, not "cleaning up of sites" to reflect the new administrations points of view.
Anyone has the right to believe climate change is a hoax, right up until it floods his Manhattan tower. However, I helped pay for that data & I personally resent & will loudly object to its deletion from the scientific discussion.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Alan Hall <oldeddoc**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:
Et al,
Bottom line, folks, striped-pants or whatever you wear liberals lost (as did our country for the past 8 years) in the legally-conducted election according to the way our Founding Fathers designed things. Street protests and violence are
never the answer. Of course, contact your elected representatives and express your opinions (and don't hold your breath, hypoxemia and hypoxia are not good things), but wait and see never hurts, either. The opposit of Murphy's Law, Yhprum's Law, is that,
sometimes, things go right.
And Monona, if Texas ever decided to enact its option as the only State that ever joined the US voluntarily and does have the right to secede ever does so (John Steinbeck once formed a group to promote this), while I have no clout whatsoever
in TX government, I'd ratify your visa application. Everybody needs gadfies, no matter what their opinion.
And, yes,I did go to the CSB meeting on the West,TX disaster. I was a volunteer firefighter just once upon a time,and we lost brothers and civilians there. Dumb can't necessarily be fixed and stupid never can be. And letting anybody sue
anybody for nothing whatsoever isn't a good idea, either. Ddifference of opinion. Right of free speech. The Alien and Sedition Act is long gone. As the person siad: "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to my death the right for you to say
it."
and a pretty good blues/jazz/rock guitarist and composer
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Lawrence Tirri <larry.tirri**At_Symbol_Here**unlv.edu> wrote:
Everyone,
I respectfully disagree with the suggestion that we patiently stand around to wait and see. It begins with EPA funds and contracts, I will suggest that the same will happen with the Depart. of Energy, etc. I expect funding will dry up
for NIH, NSF and other agency grants as well. Furthermore, I think the "gag order" will be applied across most federal agencies. Perhaps, only the Department of Defense will come out of this with only a little pain.
If we do not speak out now for science and our brothers and sisters in federal governmental agency positions, ask yourselves who will speak out for us when we are similarly restrained.
Dr. Larry Tirri
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
Las Vegas, NV 89154-4003
702-895-4281
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"The only two certainties in life are change and death. If we choose to embrace change and become part of the process, we leave
behind a legacy that will live on forever, or you may choose the alternative."
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:26 AM, Alan Hall <oldeddoc**At_Symbol_Here**gmail.com> wrote:
Us ol' re-tread Texans might say: Y'all might just wait awhile and see what happens. Let's as scientists and health & safety folk not go beserk over doomsayer's media and other bird droppings. In a long career, most of what is popular
hype seems to be what an ol' time cowboy might find behind the southerrn end of a northbound bull.
I suggest a period of what we in medicine call "watchful waiting" before we go flying off the handle. I used to teach my medical students: "Don't just do something, stand there." The situation somestimes evolves out of what seems to be
chaos (Chaos Theory for those who follow it). Sometimes, the best medicine is to do as much nothing as possible. I think I've cured moer folks by stopping medications than I ever cured by prescribing same.
According to my lovely wife: Patience is a virtue.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Lee Latimer <lhlatimer**At_Symbol_Here**mindspring.com> wrote:
"...science and reason matter." ---B. Obama, 2017.
As a community, we vote in high %. Let's be active, speak up, support science, and let legislators know that we vote as much as any group.
Lee
On 1/23/17, 9:03 PM, "ILPI Support" <info**At_Symbol_Here**ILPI.COM> wrote:
And so it begins. The first one is disturbing because this is right up there with the climate change gag order we have previously seen in Florida
"EPA Freezes Grants, Tells Employees Not To Talk About It, Sources Say":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/environmental-protection-grants-staff_us_5886825be4b0e3a7356b575f?pon75akll8ei5dn29&
And it gets worse:
https://www.axios.com/trumpworld-prepares-to-hammer-the-epa-2209021483.html "...The document goes on to recommend what can be done to "improve the use of science by EPA... EPA should not be funding scientific research" I guess that makes it easier to
use alternate facts.
And finally, "CDC Cancels Conference on Climate Change and Health":
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-cancels-conference-climate-change-health-n711076
I don't care who the president or administration is - this isn't about them or who you voted for or against. It's about science and its role in setting government policy. We need to do what we can as a community to educate the public on the critical contributions
of agencies like EPA, OSHA (that one should be even more fun) etc. and that these need to be based on science, not a special interest agenda.
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